Tuesday, April 05, 2005

What a Scumbag: Les Kinsolving:

Lester Kinsolving of WND:

With the unlikelihood that much of the Sodomy Lobby will follow Larry Kramer's poignant call, it is now time for mass hospital prison-camp quarantines for all those like this anonymous AIDS case, who has infected hundreds of other men.


Note: He's referring to the crystal meth addicted NY man who may have a "rare strain of HIV that is highly resistant to virtually all anti-retroviral drugs." This man may also have had unprotected sex with hundreds of men. But having unprotected sex with does not equate with "has infected hundreds of other men."

9 comments:

Marty said...

What, are you waiting on a pile of dead bodies to appear as "evidence"? Have you so soon forgotten Gaetan Dugas?

Marty said...

PS: I am not agreeing with Kinsolving that we should start quarantining, and am loathe (been burned too many times) to trust WND for anything anymore. I'm just questioning your knee-jerk denial that there is any problem until we have "proof" of a public health crisis. We've been down that road before, and the legacy of Dugas's bathhouse exploits is a mass grave a mile long and a mile wide.

Better a pile of bodies, than a new wave of sexual stigma, right Jon?

Jonathan said...

Of course we shouldn't wait until the dead bodies pile up; but we also ought not be too quick to jump to conclusions.

http://www.andrewsullivan.com/index.php?dish_inc=archives/2005_04_03_dish_archive.html#111263267378590655

Marty said...

Yeah, well i don't read the Dish anyore for the same reasons i dont read WND. Agenda driven reactionaries, all of em. Can't trust half of what they say.

Jason Kuznicki said...

Marty, it's not enough to just call Sullivan an "agenda-driven reactionary." It's not like he invented the numbers he's using, which came from the NY state public health department. These numbers show that even with more people getting tested, the infection rates have remained stable or even declined over the last few years.

Jason Kuznicki said...

Purely as a side note, one would think that having AIDS is punishment enough for whatever evils there may be in having unprotected sex. Are we simultaneously happy that nature is doing its job--and worried that it might not be working fast enough? And doesn't this sound rather like anti-gay bias? I mean, just a little?

Marty said...

I am not neccesarily suggesting that Kinsolving is not also an agenda driven reactionary. I don't even know the man. ;)

Second, i'm advocating MORE caution here, not less. Thank God that we are far better equipped to deal with the next venereal superbug than we were for the last.

Anti-gay bias? Been there done that. I'm just commenting on a glimpse of Jonathans knee-jerk PRO-gay bias -- the same sort of thing that got us here in the first place, by treating the problem too lightly, and taking it too personally, the first time around.

I thought that was a lesson learned.

Jason Kuznicki said...

Marty, until you can offer some positive evidence for a supposed recen rise in HIV infections, I'm going to have to discount your remarks here.

I'm not looking for a pile of dead bodies, but at least some piece of evidence would be helpful. The original story was pretty well lacking in this department. Yes, drug-resistant HIV is out there; yes, this guy seems to have gotten a rather nasty strain. But no--gay people aren't showing a significant rise in new infections; they aren't showing any demonstrable increase in unsafe behaviors; and the resistant HIV isn't nearly so deadly as the hype around it claimed.

So fine, we'll be careful. I'm so glad you're looking out for our best interests. But please, don't make these false allegations. They aren't helping anything.

Marty said...

But please, don't make these false allegations. They aren't helping anything.

Sigh...Here we go again...

(and i hope like Hell i'm wrong and you're right)